2006 Ostrander GP Rally September 5-7 Columbia City, IN. Wheel Seminar. Duane Larson Knoxville, TN

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1 2006 Ostrander GP Rally September 5-7 Columbia City, IN Wheel Seminar Developed by Duane Larson Knoxville, TN With LOTS of help from LOTS of folks 1

2 John Deere General Purpose Series C GP GPWT GPO REAR Flat Steel Skeleton Spoke Rubber FRONT Steel Cast Spoke Rubber 2

3 GP Rear Wheels Flat Steel Skeleton Spoke Rubber 3

Flat Steel Wheel C1010R (1) C 200001 200202

4 Flat Steel Wheel C1010R (1) C F&H 12 spoke wheel Hub has flat surface wave edges front/back Reversible Casting # HA449A Cast in edge farthest from bolt plate 42 3/4 x 10 4

Flat Steel Wheel C1010R (2) GP 200211 31 F&H 12

5 Flat Steel Wheel C1010R (2) GP F&H 12 spoke wheel Hub has v shape wave edges front/back Reversible Casting # HA449A Cast in hub edge farthest from bolt plate 42 3/4 x 10 Used on ~100 GPWT(?) 5

6 Flat Steel Wheel JD1202R GP early 31 end GPO all GPWT OTS Shown in factory pix Not parts books JD 14 spoke wheel JD weave hub 42 3/4 x 10 x 1/4 Reversible Bolt plate in 3/4 From hub casting edge No casting # 6

Flat Steel Wheel C1538 GPWT 402669 end F&H 12 spoke

7 Flat Steel Wheel C1538 GPWT end F&H 12 spoke wheel Weave on inside of hub 44 x 10 Casting # HA503A Not unique to flat steel Regular equipment on OTS Side steer flat steel Used overtires on skeleton 7

Flat Steel Wheel C1554 P 5000 5202 F&H wheel 44 x 8

8 Flat Steel Wheel C1554 P F&H wheel 44 x 8 12 spoke Lugs Punched to use 24 or 16 Casting # HA503A 8

9 Flat Steel Wheel JD1212 GPWT end JD wheel 16 spoke No casting # 44 x 8 x 5/16 Offset wheel 68 c-c spacing potato wheel 9

10 Flat Steel Wheel AC1100R GP GPO Repair Catalog 50R (4/15/40) First listing Not in DIR No. 104 (6/38) Sub JD1202R Uses C2414 bolt to attach to hub Long bolt, length not given, in 45R Assumed to be WT conversion wheel with spacer, hence long bolt. 10

11 Skeleton Steel C1510 GPWT F&H 12 spoke wheel Dual bands 46 diameter C1515 (2 pc) overtire To make flat steel wheel Casting # HA503A Holes thru sides 11

Skeleton Steel C1547 GPWT 401238 402688 Option 402689 end GP 200111- in 45R F&H 12 spoke wheel Dual band 43 1/2

12 Skeleton Steel C1547 GPWT Option end GP in 45R F&H 12 spoke wheel Dual band 43 1/2 diameter Thick spoke ends Casting # HA503A No flat steel wheel Overtires flat steel C (2 pc) C (2 pc) 12

13 Skeleton Steel C1393, C1395 GPWT early wheel Not used in production Paul Ostrander decision records Tractor Digest Vol. 3 No. 1 pp illustrate early wheels on GP Tricycles 13

14 Early Pneumatic Tires Available on GP 105 Indianapolis branch house requested single- and Columbus requested dualpneumatic rubber tired GP standard November 13, 1931 Priced with 32x6 front and 42x9 rears $1300 retail 32x6 and dual 42x9 $1630 TD p.30 shows rear tires on D No info about wheels themselves D used 36x5 fronts on F&H W89F wheels 14

15 Spoke Wheels for Rubber AC1070 GP, GPO late 32 end GPWT for several months F&H wheel 12 4 x 3/4 spokes Casting # HC3 Inside hub at spoke ends Rim 8.00T-24 Tire x 24 Similar wheels HC26AIHC HC46AAC HC128A HC476 15

16 Comparison of HC3, HC26A, and HC46A Front side of hubs HC 3 JD-GP HC 26A F-20 HC 46A WC-AC 16

17 Comparison of HC3, HC26A, and HC46A Rear of Wheels Note difference in slope HC 26A F-20 HC 3 JD-GP HC 46A AC-WC 17

18 HC3 Part II Second version of HC3 HC3 casting number on slope HC3(I) slope 25 deg, HC3(II) slope 38 deg Results in different offset Need to verify angles HC3 (II) sets out 3/8 more than HC3(I) HC3(II) less common May be able to find date on rim 18

19 Electric Wheel E-8 Large cast center hub 19

20 KAY Steel Tractor Wheel Kay Steel Wheel Company and Brunner Steel Casting Company consolidated on Dec 31, 1929 to form Kay Brunner Steel Products, Inc. Still in business in 1984 Now doing business as Dawson Enterprises Work in progress to understand history 20

21 KAY Steel Tractor Wheel 21

22 KAY Steel Tractor Wheel 22

23 Pacific Axle & Trailer Equipment Co Rare wheels Front and rear cast Company tried to incorporate in Nevada in 1938, failed due to death of agent No further history, but work in progress 23

24 Pacific Axle & Trailer Co Rear Wheel 24

Spoke Wheels for Rubber AC1103 GPWT OTS late 32 end F&H wheel, rare 20 10 x 3/4 spokes Casting # HC45 Like

25 Spoke Wheels for Rubber AC1103 GPWT OTS late 32 end F&H wheel, rare x 3/4 spokes Casting # HC45 Like pictures in Repair Catalog 45R Tractor Digest 3 No. 1 Rim 6.00S-36 Tire 9.00 x 36 Similar wheels HC26 IHC F20 HC126 25

26 Spoke Wheels for Rubber AC1103R cont d Comparison of hub profiles for HC 45 Out from bolt plate Beveled edge Hub edge 26

27 HC45 Details Detwiler Recreation of HC45 Bolt plate offset from center 27

28 Spoke Wheels for Rubber GPWT HC126 Often seen on GPWT-OTS Unusual hub design 6.00S-36 rim tire List of applications Presently checking with other brands 28

29 Spoke Wheel for Rubber AC1175 Parts Catalog Covering Wheels F From Waterloo Tractor Works Lists AC1175 as replacement for AC1103 For 9.00 X 36 tire Might this be the HC126? F&H may have made a generic 36 wheel with the 6-bolt pattern as a replacement wheel Any date info been found in HC126 rim? 29

30 Kay Brunner Rear Cast Wheels for GPWT Casting number DC-36-2 DC designed for drop center rim rim 2 - probably identification number DC on 1935 Garden B 8- #48 rim clamps Brake drum clearance ~ S 36 rim for tire Several reinforcing webs inside 30

31 Kay Brunner DC

32 Kay Brunner DC

33 Kay Brunner DC

34 Kay Brunner DC

35 GP Front Wheels Spoke Steel Cast Spoke Rubber 35

Spoke Steel AC167 (1) C 200001 200202 F&H Wheel 24 x 6 12

36 Spoke Steel AC167 (1) C F&H Wheel 24 x 6 12 flat spokes Casting # HA229B Flat face wheel Hourglass hub 36

37 Spoke Steel AC167 (2) GP F&H Wheel Not flat face 24 x 6 12 flat spokes Casting # HA229B Hourglass hub 37

Spoke Steel AC439 (1) GP 208384 213037 213538 213542 F&H wheel 24 x 6 x 3/16 12 round spokes Not in wheel center

38 Spoke Steel AC439 (1) GP F&H wheel 24 x 6 x 3/16 12 round spokes Not in wheel center Closer to inside w/o 3 weight stops On outside of hub Casting HA229C Some with C stamped in HA229 also a D wheel 38

Spoke Steel AC439 (2) GP 208384 213037 213538 213542 F&H wheel 24 x 6 12 round spokes 3

39 Spoke Steel AC439 (2) GP F&H wheel 24 x 6 12 round spokes 3 weight stops On outside of hub Casting #HA229C Picture Tractor Digest 3, No. 1 p

40 Spoke Steel AC506 GP x 6 12 round spokes 3 weight stops On outside of hub Casting # HA510B F&H wheel Hourglass hub 40

41 Spoke Steel AC517 GP JD Spreader Works JD507C on D spreader Similar hub/spoke pattern 24 x 6 Not spreader size 12 round spokes Unusual hub C167R hubcap 41

42 Spoke Steel AC651 GP end JD wheel 168 lbs No casting # JD1209R AC651 = JD races 24 x 6 12 round spokes C167R hubcap 3 small weight bosses 42

43 Spoke Steel JD1208R GP no application information JD wheel Zig-zag hub 24 x 6 x 3/16 Repair Catalog 41R (6/1/31) First reference Front Wheel, less Hub (42 in. and 28 in. Row Axle) implies for bean tractor AC628 Hub, C1663R, with Races, Front Wheel (For 42 in. and 28 in. Row Axle) Two-Cylinder S-O 2002 p. 35 has pix Separate hub and wheel 43

44 Spoke Steel JD1208R Might these be the JD1208R wheels? 44

Cast Steel Wheel AC847 GPWT 400000 end JD cast wheel Casting # C334R Hub AC371 (C333R)

45 Cast Steel Wheel AC847 GPWT end JD cast wheel Casting # C334R Hub AC371 (C333R) Hub AC513 (C391R) end Texas wheel sand wheel Small and large hole versions 45

46 Cast Steel Wheel AC847 June 29, 1928 picture from C Book small holes 46

47 Cast Steel Wheel AC830 GPO end JD wheel Casting # C2020R Uses C2021R cover Wheel enclosure disk 47

48 Spoke Steel AC539R First mention IPL Dir GPWT Tractor Digest Vol 3 No 1 p44 - GPWT The AC885R front wheel superseded the original AC539R spoke steel wheel Sept letter in M-A 98 Two Cylinder AC x 4 wheel assembly use AC885 July 24, 33 letter AC-539 listed as front steel for OTS Feb St. Louis price list AC539R 24x4 A-AW-BW JD1213 sub AC885 Unclear what this GPWT front wheel is at present Only alternative to Sand Wheel prior to 6 bore 48

49 Spoke Steel AC539R cont d GPWT Tricycle(?) JD wheel 24 x 4 x 1/16 JD1213R No casting # JD Number List 4/15/37 lists wheel sub AC885 Hobbs Unstyled Letter Series p. 94 shows Model C Tricycle may have these Omaha 11/1/37 price list - fit A, AW, BW, GP, sub AC885 49

Spoke Steel AC885 (1) GPWT 402669 end ~ Big-bore F&H wheel Casting #

50 Spoke Steel AC885 (1) GPWT end ~ Big-bore F&H wheel Casting # HA684A 12 spoke 24 x 4 Hubcap C167R Bosses at spoke-hub interface 50

Spoke Steel AC885 (2) GPWT 402669 end F&H wheel Casting

51 Spoke Steel AC885 (2) GPWT end F&H wheel Casting # HA684B 12 spoke 24 x 4 Hubcap C167R Hub bosses gone 51

Spoke Steel AC885 (3) GPWT 402669 end F&H wheel Casting #

52 Spoke Steel AC885 (3) GPWT end F&H wheel Casting # HA684C 12 spoke 24 x 4 Hubcap C167R Hub similar to HA684B 52

53 HA684B, C comparison GPWT wheels HA684B Note hub thickness HA684C 53

54 Replacement Flat Front Steel F&H wheel similar to HA684C JD1248R tag welded between spokes March 1948 Deere went to stenciling part number as tags got lost Welded tags sometime after this date JD1248R not in 4/15/37 JD List, but in 10/1/39 10/1/44 List says sub AA2345 (war wheel) Front steel for late styled letter series is similar to the war wheels Resurrected for numbered series AA2345 number but HA684C pix 54

55 Replacement Flat Front Steel

56 Replacement Flat Front Steel

57 Spoke Wheels for Rubber AC1062 (1) GP, GPO late F&H wheel Bun hub C2367R screw-on hubcap Casting # N329R No casting # 10 spoke Not centered Finger notch inside 57

58 Spoke Wheels for Rubber AC1062 (2) GP, GPO end F&H wheel No casting # Bun hub 4 screw hubcap p/n D2217 Casting # N346R 10 spoke Finger notch outside 58

59 Spoke Wheels for Rubber AC1062 (3) GP, GPO end Overlap with AC1062 (2)? F&H wheel V hub 3-bolt hubcap Casting # C167R Casting # HC234A 10 spoke 6.00 x 16 tire 59

60 Spoke Wheels for Rubber p/n? GP s/n range? Not in a parts catalog F&H wheel F-7A Casting # HC228 Long hub Move wheels out 10 round spokes 16 tire C167R hubcap 60

61 Pacific Axle & Trailer Co Front Wheel 61

62 Pacific Axle & Trailer Co Front Wheel 62

Spoke Wheels for Rubber AC1088 GPWT late 32 end F&H wheel for 5.

screw hubcap Finger notch outside p/n D2217 Casting # N346R 10

63 Spoke Wheels for Rubber AC1088 GPWT late 32 end F&H wheel for tire No casting # Malleable bun hub Cast insert w/races 4 screw hubcap Finger notch outside p/n D2217 Casting # N346R 10 spoke Similar to HC100 F-20 cast hub wheel Similar to AC1062(2) 63

64 Summary Covered all wheels known to date for GP May be (likely are) other wheels Presented facts, you be the judge/jury Would appreciate any info which differs from that presented here! Thanks to all who provided info!! And a BIG THANKS to Ostranders for hosting this event!!!!! 64

Case pull type disc plow $500 JD 1btm 2way plow $500 JD 5btm pull type plow $500 BIG JD PLASTIC SIGN $500 STEEL (FLAT)WHEELS W/LUGS $500 G FLAT STEEL

Descrtiption Price Case pull type disc plow $500 JD 1btm 2way plow $500 JD 5btm pull type plow $500 BIG JD PLASTIC SIGN $500 STEEL (FLAT)WHEELS W/LUGS $500 G FLAT STEEL W/LUGS RIMS $500 SKELETON REAR WHEELS